kumar1
01-30 02:03 PM
Stop spreading wrong information desi!!
let me add my 2 cents here -
1. There is no rule that h1 status expires after 1 year of no use. The key word here is h1 status.
2. If the person is in us, then he/she 30 days to start working on h1 job else apply for change of status (or leave us and re-enter on some other visa).
3. If the person is entering us on h1 visa, then he/she has 60 days to start working on h1 job.
4. Within 30 days of start working, person should get his/her first paycheck.
5. By not working on h1 job, you are out of status since oct 1st. (there is no grace period for out status. However, out of status does not mean illegal presence as long as i-94 date is not expired or uscis has made the determination that you are out of status.
6. 3/10 year bar applies for illegal presence and not for out of status.
Good luck.
____________________
not a legal advice.
Us citizen of indian origin
let me add my 2 cents here -
1. There is no rule that h1 status expires after 1 year of no use. The key word here is h1 status.
2. If the person is in us, then he/she 30 days to start working on h1 job else apply for change of status (or leave us and re-enter on some other visa).
3. If the person is entering us on h1 visa, then he/she has 60 days to start working on h1 job.
4. Within 30 days of start working, person should get his/her first paycheck.
5. By not working on h1 job, you are out of status since oct 1st. (there is no grace period for out status. However, out of status does not mean illegal presence as long as i-94 date is not expired or uscis has made the determination that you are out of status.
6. 3/10 year bar applies for illegal presence and not for out of status.
Good luck.
____________________
not a legal advice.
Us citizen of indian origin
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paskal
07-09 11:57 AM
[QUOTE=desi3933]� 245.1 Eligibility.
(a) General. Any alien who is physically present in the United States, except for an alien who is ineligible to apply for adjustment of status under paragraph (b) or (c) of this section, may apply for adjustment of status to that of a lawful permanent resident of the United States if the applicant is eligible to receive an immigrant visa and an immigrant visa is immediately available at the time of filing of the application. A special immigrant described under section 101(a)(27)(J) of the Act shall be deemed, for the purpose of applying the adjustment to status provisions of section 245(a) of the Act, to have been paroled into the United States, regardless of the actual method of entry into the United States.
[Emphasis added for clarity]
this clause is very clear
the last one posted did not say you cannot apply
only who can actually be adjusted....
(a) General. Any alien who is physically present in the United States, except for an alien who is ineligible to apply for adjustment of status under paragraph (b) or (c) of this section, may apply for adjustment of status to that of a lawful permanent resident of the United States if the applicant is eligible to receive an immigrant visa and an immigrant visa is immediately available at the time of filing of the application. A special immigrant described under section 101(a)(27)(J) of the Act shall be deemed, for the purpose of applying the adjustment to status provisions of section 245(a) of the Act, to have been paroled into the United States, regardless of the actual method of entry into the United States.
[Emphasis added for clarity]
this clause is very clear
the last one posted did not say you cannot apply
only who can actually be adjusted....
Macaca
12-10 11:23 AM
Why don't you tell other proud americans to not
1. admit us to your educational systems,
2. give us jobs, and
3. sponsor our green cards.
Why don't posters on this forum move back to their home country and concentrate on making their home country great instead of slamming into someone else's country and just living off the wealth others have created?
The bottom line is that a SKIL act is not needed. Hundreds of thousands of American programmers have lost their job to the third world, both in outsourcing and insourcing of third world programmers who work for cheaper wages. There is absolutely no need for more foreigners here and no need for more green cards. Temporary workers are just that - temporary. If you are on a temporary visa, work your time, make some money for your family and head home when your time is up. Don't cry that we don't provide enough green cards when you knew what kind of visa you were on.
1. admit us to your educational systems,
2. give us jobs, and
3. sponsor our green cards.
Why don't posters on this forum move back to their home country and concentrate on making their home country great instead of slamming into someone else's country and just living off the wealth others have created?
The bottom line is that a SKIL act is not needed. Hundreds of thousands of American programmers have lost their job to the third world, both in outsourcing and insourcing of third world programmers who work for cheaper wages. There is absolutely no need for more foreigners here and no need for more green cards. Temporary workers are just that - temporary. If you are on a temporary visa, work your time, make some money for your family and head home when your time is up. Don't cry that we don't provide enough green cards when you knew what kind of visa you were on.
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newbee7
07-07 08:23 PM
All officials have talked about processing 60k visas in a month to avoid visas going waste.
None was honest enough to say the unused visas expire on 09/30 NOT 06/30.
So, why the mad rush to give out all visas by 06/30?? We all know why..
None was honest enough to say the unused visas expire on 09/30 NOT 06/30.
So, why the mad rush to give out all visas by 06/30?? We all know why..
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GCStatus
09-15 01:20 PM
hi,
Please let me know the process to pledge the $100. I am not a member of any state chapter but just a registered member on this site.
Will let you know once we accumulate details. For now, please provide your name,ph# and e-mail to man-woman-gc
Please let me know the process to pledge the $100. I am not a member of any state chapter but just a registered member on this site.
Will let you know once we accumulate details. For now, please provide your name,ph# and e-mail to man-woman-gc
DallasBlue
08-25 12:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by unitednations
If companies used h-1b the way it is supposed to be written then really the only people who would get one would be OPT candidates who joined while they are on OPT.
That is not true - those who are qualified and for whom a job is available in the US will eventually make it here. If the requirement is genuine, then the company will go to India and get that skilled labor. Big companies have been known to hire talent internationally.
No way; would an H-1b get filed for a person who is outside the country. Consulting companies would like to adhere to the laws. However; when their existing employees keep referring friends or friends of friends then as a protective measure they are forced to file the H-1b; or they risk losing the existing employee to someone else.
Your argument that some consulting companies would like to adhere to laws, but are forced not to because they fear the employee will leave is sufficient reason for those companies to be shut down. There is no excuse for breaking the law, and that too intentionally. It is obvious from your argument these companies are greedy and give the rest of the H-1B visa holders a bad name.
Keep in mind; the big problem currently is "transfers" and "extensions". Not so much quota cases. USCIS is not keeping up with the business norms. Many of the consulting companies do not have agreements with end clients and end clients will generally not give letters to consulatants to verify that they are actually working there.
The only time I have seen a consulting company file an H-1b for a person (transfer) and they are not on project; is that the employee has lost the current job or their company wants them to go back home and they do not want to go back home. Employee will do everything possible not to go back.
It is understandable that an individual will do whatever he can to better his social and economic situation. But it has to be done within the limits of the law. In your example, the consulting company should just say no. However, the company is greedy and wants to make money from the unfortunate situation of the poor guy who just lost his job.
I always go back through an example I used to see in the work place. Two people at the same level and one has a bigger cubicle. Other person with smaller cubicle complains. End result is that they don't make his cubicle bigger but make the other persons smaller.
Complaining or pointing fingers at one subsection of people using h-1b or greencards and getting uscis/lawmakers to fix it; it doesn't stop there. Eventually; it will come onto you. Many people on these forums/threads don't care about h-1b but only greencards. Do all of you think that it will only stop at H-1b's and won't spill over to greencards?
Are you are asking the immigrant community to condone the abusive/illegal practice of a subsection of people because the USCIS will come after everybody? On the contrary, I would rather they looked at every case closely to ensure that there is a valid job offer and no abuse. And it seems that they are now doing just that. This would ensure a smooth process those who follow the law - so there is nothing to fear whether it is H-1B or Green card application.
Having said that, the immigrant community should try to request the USCIS with some administrative fixes where the H-1B visa holder is not immediately out of status when he loses his job. If they give a grace period of three months or so, then one cae join either look for a new job, or wrap things up and go home. In the absence of such pressure, H-1B visa holders are less likely to find themselves in the hands of abusive consulting companies. The changes to H-1B proposed by Dick Durban and Co. only focussed on protecting american workers (which is all good). BUT, there was nothing in there that would protect the foreign worker's interest if he lost his job. We need to impress upon the congress or USCIS to give some grace period (which to my mind should be an easy administrative fix).
Maybe we are getting off the topic.
USCIS is giving a hard time for h-1b's.
If vemont service center:
ensure LCA is for client location and company location.
ensure that you can get a legitimate letter/contract from place you are actually working. ensure letter/contract says that the terms (duration) is extendable (under the law; uscis only has to approve the h-1b until the PO finishes if it is less then three years).
For companies: Cancel h-1b for people who have left. Cancel h-1b's for people who have not joined (uscis in their rfe's are frequently quoting number of h-1b's filed and comparing to current head count).
for california service center:
companies need to analyze their DE-6 and look to see who hasn't been paid the lca wage for all four quarters. Give proper/proactive explanations for people where it is not obvious why they weren't paid proper lca wage.
get legitimate client letter/purchase order from end client. Ensure that when filing H-1b; the LCA covers the client location. USCIS will generally not accept a new LCA covering the location after the h-1b has been filed.
Ensure the numbrer of active h-1b's is close to your headcount. If people haven't joined or aren't going to join; cancel h-1b's immediately.
For consulate: do not ever give fake purchase order/client letter. Consulates are very smart that they know major companies do not give such letters. They are frequently referring cases to department of state in kentucky to contact clients who wrote the letters. If client doesn't confrm (ie., HR at client company) then it is a very, very big problem for all people concerned.
For extensions; file as early as possible so you don't have issues with your drivers license, etc.
USCIS relies on a lot of case precdece to deny cases. many times they are misapplying these cases and going outside the law what is really required. In motion to reopens; california is very quick in givingin another decision. However; vermont sits on it for many, many months and they very rarely change their decisions.
When changing client locations then as a minimum get a new LCA but if you really want to cover yourself then consider amending h-1b for new location.
UN,
am always puzzled how H1B is valid also for outsourcing the h1b-employee to another company (like sub-sub-.....sub-contracting) ?
wasnt h1b intended for a inhouse job rather than a job at a client company ?
Originally Posted by unitednations
If companies used h-1b the way it is supposed to be written then really the only people who would get one would be OPT candidates who joined while they are on OPT.
That is not true - those who are qualified and for whom a job is available in the US will eventually make it here. If the requirement is genuine, then the company will go to India and get that skilled labor. Big companies have been known to hire talent internationally.
No way; would an H-1b get filed for a person who is outside the country. Consulting companies would like to adhere to the laws. However; when their existing employees keep referring friends or friends of friends then as a protective measure they are forced to file the H-1b; or they risk losing the existing employee to someone else.
Your argument that some consulting companies would like to adhere to laws, but are forced not to because they fear the employee will leave is sufficient reason for those companies to be shut down. There is no excuse for breaking the law, and that too intentionally. It is obvious from your argument these companies are greedy and give the rest of the H-1B visa holders a bad name.
Keep in mind; the big problem currently is "transfers" and "extensions". Not so much quota cases. USCIS is not keeping up with the business norms. Many of the consulting companies do not have agreements with end clients and end clients will generally not give letters to consulatants to verify that they are actually working there.
The only time I have seen a consulting company file an H-1b for a person (transfer) and they are not on project; is that the employee has lost the current job or their company wants them to go back home and they do not want to go back home. Employee will do everything possible not to go back.
It is understandable that an individual will do whatever he can to better his social and economic situation. But it has to be done within the limits of the law. In your example, the consulting company should just say no. However, the company is greedy and wants to make money from the unfortunate situation of the poor guy who just lost his job.
I always go back through an example I used to see in the work place. Two people at the same level and one has a bigger cubicle. Other person with smaller cubicle complains. End result is that they don't make his cubicle bigger but make the other persons smaller.
Complaining or pointing fingers at one subsection of people using h-1b or greencards and getting uscis/lawmakers to fix it; it doesn't stop there. Eventually; it will come onto you. Many people on these forums/threads don't care about h-1b but only greencards. Do all of you think that it will only stop at H-1b's and won't spill over to greencards?
Are you are asking the immigrant community to condone the abusive/illegal practice of a subsection of people because the USCIS will come after everybody? On the contrary, I would rather they looked at every case closely to ensure that there is a valid job offer and no abuse. And it seems that they are now doing just that. This would ensure a smooth process those who follow the law - so there is nothing to fear whether it is H-1B or Green card application.
Having said that, the immigrant community should try to request the USCIS with some administrative fixes where the H-1B visa holder is not immediately out of status when he loses his job. If they give a grace period of three months or so, then one cae join either look for a new job, or wrap things up and go home. In the absence of such pressure, H-1B visa holders are less likely to find themselves in the hands of abusive consulting companies. The changes to H-1B proposed by Dick Durban and Co. only focussed on protecting american workers (which is all good). BUT, there was nothing in there that would protect the foreign worker's interest if he lost his job. We need to impress upon the congress or USCIS to give some grace period (which to my mind should be an easy administrative fix).
Maybe we are getting off the topic.
USCIS is giving a hard time for h-1b's.
If vemont service center:
ensure LCA is for client location and company location.
ensure that you can get a legitimate letter/contract from place you are actually working. ensure letter/contract says that the terms (duration) is extendable (under the law; uscis only has to approve the h-1b until the PO finishes if it is less then three years).
For companies: Cancel h-1b for people who have left. Cancel h-1b's for people who have not joined (uscis in their rfe's are frequently quoting number of h-1b's filed and comparing to current head count).
for california service center:
companies need to analyze their DE-6 and look to see who hasn't been paid the lca wage for all four quarters. Give proper/proactive explanations for people where it is not obvious why they weren't paid proper lca wage.
get legitimate client letter/purchase order from end client. Ensure that when filing H-1b; the LCA covers the client location. USCIS will generally not accept a new LCA covering the location after the h-1b has been filed.
Ensure the numbrer of active h-1b's is close to your headcount. If people haven't joined or aren't going to join; cancel h-1b's immediately.
For consulate: do not ever give fake purchase order/client letter. Consulates are very smart that they know major companies do not give such letters. They are frequently referring cases to department of state in kentucky to contact clients who wrote the letters. If client doesn't confrm (ie., HR at client company) then it is a very, very big problem for all people concerned.
For extensions; file as early as possible so you don't have issues with your drivers license, etc.
USCIS relies on a lot of case precdece to deny cases. many times they are misapplying these cases and going outside the law what is really required. In motion to reopens; california is very quick in givingin another decision. However; vermont sits on it for many, many months and they very rarely change their decisions.
When changing client locations then as a minimum get a new LCA but if you really want to cover yourself then consider amending h-1b for new location.
UN,
am always puzzled how H1B is valid also for outsourcing the h1b-employee to another company (like sub-sub-.....sub-contracting) ?
wasnt h1b intended for a inhouse job rather than a job at a client company ?
more...
Chris Rock
09-23 08:35 PM
EB3 India guys realized that this is the only path to GC nirvana!
So our(EB3I) mantra now is "Port, baby, Port".:D
So our(EB3I) mantra now is "Port, baby, Port".:D
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bhobama
05-10 11:46 AM
I think it is ironic that we (from India) complain about quota on GC when we are the masters of quotas whether it be in education, workplace, politics etc. I myself was not affected by quotas in India, but I know several friends who were, simply because they were born in "upper caste" and therefore had to be denied opportunities as "revenge" for the injustice meted out by their ancestors several centuries ago, instead of being based on economics.
I personally think GC quota has a rationale behind it. It allows for a reasonable share to go to smaller countries so that the US population maintains its diversity. Besides, near the end of the year, if the numbers are unused, they are rolled over to larger countries like India and China, thereby automatically eliminating the quota.
I personally think GC quota has a rationale behind it. It allows for a reasonable share to go to smaller countries so that the US population maintains its diversity. Besides, near the end of the year, if the numbers are unused, they are rolled over to larger countries like India and China, thereby automatically eliminating the quota.
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CHHAYA
06-07 10:46 AM
reddymjm,
I will have to check with my attorney. But, my I-140 approval came from TSC but my I-485 application was sent to NSC.
If anyone else has had a similar experience, please post your update here.
Thanks.
SAME WITH ME. MY 140 WAS APPROVED AT TSC BUT MY LAWYER SAID ALL SHOULD FILE 485 AT NSC ADN THEY WILL FORWARD TO TSC. STAY IN CONTACT.
I will have to check with my attorney. But, my I-140 approval came from TSC but my I-485 application was sent to NSC.
If anyone else has had a similar experience, please post your update here.
Thanks.
SAME WITH ME. MY 140 WAS APPROVED AT TSC BUT MY LAWYER SAID ALL SHOULD FILE 485 AT NSC ADN THEY WILL FORWARD TO TSC. STAY IN CONTACT.
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Rohan99
09-17 04:13 PM
Hello, Anyone on July 3rd R.William 9:00am NSC has not received receipt...please let me know.
Now I am worried, I called today(17th sep) but no news on my record.
PD:May 2006
140: Aug 2006
i-485 : @ NSC july 3rd waiting for receipt
July 3rd R.William 9:00am NSC
Now I am worried, I called today(17th sep) but no news on my record.
PD:May 2006
140: Aug 2006
i-485 : @ NSC july 3rd waiting for receipt
July 3rd R.William 9:00am NSC
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InTheMoment
08-01 08:29 PM
Up until July 29, 2007 (incl.) when sorting of files was going on, NSC did a load sharing of files with TSC. (and btw they did not look at where ones' I-140 is adjudicated when making the selection, it was random. I know several such cases)
This in my opinion is a very good way of making sure adjudicating resources are kept in balance at both centers.
Like somone quiet rightly pointed out it is akin to the old Labor Certification process where some states were way faster than others (less demand faster process).
In the direct filing which started July 30, 2007 the load sharing has a great possibilty of being tilted one way or the other (though maybe not as much as old LC's). They have made a geographical distribution and not one that factors # of applications traditionally received from states.
On the other hand, may be USCIS has figured that the particular geographical jurisdiction produces the right load sharing between NSC and TSC!
This in my opinion is a very good way of making sure adjudicating resources are kept in balance at both centers.
Like somone quiet rightly pointed out it is akin to the old Labor Certification process where some states were way faster than others (less demand faster process).
In the direct filing which started July 30, 2007 the load sharing has a great possibilty of being tilted one way or the other (though maybe not as much as old LC's). They have made a geographical distribution and not one that factors # of applications traditionally received from states.
On the other hand, may be USCIS has figured that the particular geographical jurisdiction produces the right load sharing between NSC and TSC!
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man-woman-and-gc
09-15 12:15 PM
Friends,
I have created a Shared Spreadsheet with the list of people who have pledged in favor of this effort.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pgWehhQEb3jqwsRC8fcKLTQ&hl=en#
Everyone can view it, but unfortunately, i didn'y think it was ideal for everyone to edit. I will be more than happy to grant Edit access to a few more folks who are willing to help. Also, from security point of view, i think we should add our IV handle instead of real name. Since we have email ID's and ph#, we can be in touch as soon as it it time for action.
Please keep sending me ur details to add to this list. Remember, we only proceed if we have atleast 1000 pledged members.
I will keep publishing this sheet from time to time on this thread so people know.
Please keep pouring in with ur suggestions.
I have created a Shared Spreadsheet with the list of people who have pledged in favor of this effort.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pgWehhQEb3jqwsRC8fcKLTQ&hl=en#
Everyone can view it, but unfortunately, i didn'y think it was ideal for everyone to edit. I will be more than happy to grant Edit access to a few more folks who are willing to help. Also, from security point of view, i think we should add our IV handle instead of real name. Since we have email ID's and ph#, we can be in touch as soon as it it time for action.
Please keep sending me ur details to add to this list. Remember, we only proceed if we have atleast 1000 pledged members.
I will keep publishing this sheet from time to time on this thread so people know.
Please keep pouring in with ur suggestions.
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tonyHK12
02-17 11:17 AM
local chapters....I have been part to two chapters but not seeing any communication happening around..
Some of them have got dormant. I did put this up on NY/Tristate, we have about 3 members attending so far. I've even sent out request for contributions.
Some of them have got dormant. I did put this up on NY/Tristate, we have about 3 members attending so far. I've even sent out request for contributions.
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gjoe
10-09 06:43 AM
It would be more effective if not effecient. You need not wait until the year end to issue visas, visas can be issued using a mathematical model which would allow old PD filers to get a visa ahead of others as soon as his case comes in and other criterias are fullfilled. Basically no one needs to wait for filing I485. People with old PD will get visa numbers first as soon as they enter the application.
You're kidding me...How is your suggestion more efficient..????
So they should keep sorting and moving visa numbers from one application to another based on PD.??
if thats the case they would have to wait to give GC on the very last day of the year...
You're kidding me...How is your suggestion more efficient..????
So they should keep sorting and moving visa numbers from one application to another based on PD.??
if thats the case they would have to wait to give GC on the very last day of the year...
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GCStatus
09-13 09:36 PM
I am willing to FUND every last dollar i can. Its a noble cause. I hope the same from you. We hope we have tonnes of hands.
Yes, It doesnt matter, we are going for it.
Yes, It doesnt matter, we are going for it.
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kss
07-20 09:08 AM
I pledge $200 for this noble cause.
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dkshitij
11-17 03:10 PM
Please contact members of congress by clicking on the action alert below.
It will only take less than a minute for you. We are requesting adding amendments in the DREAM Act coming up. This campaign will help the DC advocacy work we are doing on this bill.
ImmigrationVoice.org - Advocacy -- DREAM Act: Help the Legal Immigrants (http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=19787501)
Please spread the word everywhere for more participation
Please post on this thread once you have sent the email. Keep this thread up for the next few days.
In the email, "The current long green card delays also cause deeply disturbing quality of life issues for the high skilled immigrants� children born inside of US."
It should be children born OUTSIDE of US not INSIDE!!!!
It will only take less than a minute for you. We are requesting adding amendments in the DREAM Act coming up. This campaign will help the DC advocacy work we are doing on this bill.
ImmigrationVoice.org - Advocacy -- DREAM Act: Help the Legal Immigrants (http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/issues/alert/?alertid=19787501)
Please spread the word everywhere for more participation
Please post on this thread once you have sent the email. Keep this thread up for the next few days.
In the email, "The current long green card delays also cause deeply disturbing quality of life issues for the high skilled immigrants� children born inside of US."
It should be children born OUTSIDE of US not INSIDE!!!!
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makemygc
04-21 09:14 PM
Feeling so sad about whole thing. May his soul rest in piece. My best wishes with his family.
This thread just puts things in perspective. Getting a GC and beyond is a good thing, but in the larger scheme of things, enjoying the present moment and enjoying what you got is far more important. You never know when it can end !
This thread just puts things in perspective. Getting a GC and beyond is a good thing, but in the larger scheme of things, enjoying the present moment and enjoying what you got is far more important. You never know when it can end !
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Suva
08-13 02:44 PM
What is LUD?
anzerraja
07-20 02:30 AM
Thanks austin123 !!!
$100 from my side
$100 from my side
dtekkedil
07-03 11:36 AM
trust me, everyone will write for 2 days more, then move on... i know that! agar kuch karna hi hotta to apna desh kahaan se kahaan pahunch gaya hotta... apne desh ko to badal nahi sakte idhar kya karengey? hehe
keep writing, let me also see how many of us can do this..
sab bol bacchan amitabh bachchan..
Ok folks... lets do this then... July 09th is the delivery date! Select the following link (provided by krishnam70 - thank you!)
http://www.ftd.com/528/catalog/produ...&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
Select Occasion: "Sympathy"
The message: All the best for future Employment Based visa estimates
Delivery location type is Business, US Citizenship and Immigration Service
Address:
Emilio T. Gonzalez
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
Phone number: 202-307-1565
It will be better if we do not add anything else to the message :) I know a lot of you are pissed off... but try to control your anger :D
I hope I haven't missed any other information required to send those flowers.. if I did then please let me know :)
keep writing, let me also see how many of us can do this..
sab bol bacchan amitabh bachchan..
Ok folks... lets do this then... July 09th is the delivery date! Select the following link (provided by krishnam70 - thank you!)
http://www.ftd.com/528/catalog/produ...&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
Select Occasion: "Sympathy"
The message: All the best for future Employment Based visa estimates
Delivery location type is Business, US Citizenship and Immigration Service
Address:
Emilio T. Gonzalez
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
Phone number: 202-307-1565
It will be better if we do not add anything else to the message :) I know a lot of you are pissed off... but try to control your anger :D
I hope I haven't missed any other information required to send those flowers.. if I did then please let me know :)
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